Should Rigging Be a Requirement?

[Andy_Copland 0]

Disclaimer: Im not trying to upset anybody here but this kinda bugged me a bit.

I was reading the forums and saw a post asking for help getting a toggle off the break line.

Nothing wrong there... except the person needing help had 900 jumps and a D license according to their profile.

Should simple rigging be a requirement for certain licenses? Maybe im just being anal about thinking people should at least understand the ins and outs of their gear if they are going to survive 900 times under it and more.

I dont know, any suggestions? What are your thoughts?

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Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[monkycndo 0]

Noticed the same post and thought the same thing. Knowing your gear is a good thing. But it might take work away from riggers.

I kid, I kid.

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[peregrinerose 0]

I thought the same thing. For someone with that many jumps to be that completely unfamiliar with their gear is just scary.

I'm glad you started this thread. I wanted to say something in the other one, but didn't want to come across like I was bashing one person in particular. It's the scenario that is disturbing, not the person specifically.

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[Andy_Copland 0]

That was exactly my reasoning for not posting in the original.

Im glad im not the only one who noticed and people arent flaming the shit out of me... (yet)

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[monkycndo 0]

I was just shocked that I actually agreed with you about something.

Wait one.

I should have said that you actually came to your senses and made an intelligent post.

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[dragon2 2]

Over here you are not allowed to do much to your gear, except change out a closing loop and elastic bands. For other stuff (including attaching a main canopy) you need to be a rigger

This has predictable results

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Saskia

[Andy_Copland 0]

Bonfire is my alter ego

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Andy_Copland 0]

I know its inconvenient for most but simply watchinga rigger at work with their gear or even someone elses is 100% more helpful to your knowledge then being totaly ignorant to your gear

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[sid 1]

Andy, I have long thought that one of the requirements for any "D" or "Master" license should be the requirement to inspect and repack your reserve and harness/container system under the guidance of a certificated rigger. I kid you not I had a "D" licensed skydiver ask me to explain exactly what a RSL did.......

Pete Draper,

Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right?

[wildfan75 1]

Firstly, I totally agree that everyone, regardless of jump numbers, should have a general idea of how everything on their equipment works. But when we have licensed skydivers who don't even know how to pack their mains...how we going to get people to learn basic rigging stuff?

But then again...I'm just a newbie, so take it for what it's worth (not much).

[Andy_Copland 0]

I was under the impression that you need to know how to pack your main for your "A" in the USA?

Its not a requirment here in the UK and it is one of my pet peeves.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[iluvtofly 0]

Having just gotten my A I can assure you that it is a requirement to know how to pack your main before you get it. However, one thing I've seen is people will pack once just to get their A then just pay people to pack it from then on.

[trigger 0]

Don't think basic rigging should be a requirement,but i think it's wise to be able to aleast inspect your kit for things that may require the attention of a rigger.
Overstretched spandex pockets etc.

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[yeyo 1]

I saw that thread and it worried me too....
But disconnecting a toggle? c'mon!
regardless of 0 jumps or 10000
You just have to look at it 3 seconds and figure it out.

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[trigger 0]

Diconnecting a toggle....simply attached with a knot or finger trapped and bar tackedstill simple

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[phoenixlpr 0]

Do you have to take a test in mechanics for getting a driving license?

Do you have to take a test in electronics in order to be allowed to use a computer?

[peregrinerose 0]

Will your computer kill you if not maintained and inspected regularly?

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[phoenixlpr 0]

How about when someone empty your bank account or stole your identity and push you in bankruptcy?
Is that close enough?

You don't have to know all the details, but you have to realize if something is different and ask people who know more about those things.

[kallend 2,115]

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Will your computer kill you if not maintained and inspected regularly?

OK, do you have to inspect and maintain an aero engine to get a pilot's license?

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[phoenixlpr 0]

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OK, do you have to inspect and maintain an aero engine to get a pilot's license?

Thanks! You have a better example.

[Andy_Copland 0]

Im not saying they should become a master rigger. I just think a demonstration of basic knowledge of your gear should be enough.

Just as pilots do basic checks before take off.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[phoenixlpr 0]

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Im not saying they should become a master rigger. I just think a demonstration of basic knowledge of your gear should be enough.

Just as pilots do basic checks before take off.

That means that you should be able to do a gear check and might even pack a main for yourself. So what are we talking about?

[stratostar 5]

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I was reading the forums and saw a post asking for help getting a toggle off the break line.

Nothing wrong there... except the person needing help had 900 jumps and a D license according to their profile.

That's not as bad as when I had a D license jumper ask me to hook up their 3 rings, because they didn't know how. If you don' know how to hook it right, how are you going to know if its right on a gear check? But yes it is always best to have a compleat understanding on ones system and how it works.

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

[Andy_Copland 0]

I would like to see a jumper be able to take a main off the rig, change simple things like toggles and re-attach without getting confused by 3 rings.

I dont think thats the case for some people and that worries me.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[phoenixlpr 0]

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I would like to see a jumper be able to take a main off the rig, change simple things like toggles and re-attach without getting confused by 3 rings.

Toggles look simple for you, but you are not authorized to assemble or maintain skydiving rig with a rigging license. We can change rubber bands and closing loops.

Try to understand that a skydiving rig is just a life saving device for some people in this sport. some of them has no interest how to fly them or even how to pack them.